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Secretary of Education Linda McMahon is currently traveling to all 50 states with its History Rocks! campaign. It's a year-long effort to promote President Trump's vision of"patriotic education, backed by a coalition of 40 conservative and right-wing organizations, including the Heritage Foundation, Hillsdale College, and Turning Point USA. Not a single organization representing a different point of view is represented.

In our latest episode, host Louis Freedberg talks with Jon Zimmerman, professor of history and education at the University of Pennsylvania, and author of "Whose America?: Culture Wars in the Public Schools," about what a more authentic form of civics education could look like in the nation's 250th year.

Not surprisingly, there has been resistance to McMahon bringing her History Rocks! campaign onto some school campuses. Zimmerman prescription? Welcome, Secretary McMahon. But ask her to debate people like Nikole Hannah-Jones from The 1619 Project, or others who represent contrary points of view. And then let students make up their own minds.

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Guests:

Jon Zimmerman, Professor of History and Education at the University of Pennsylvania, and author of "Whose America?: Culture Wars in the Public Schools"